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		<title>By: Kareen Hilden</title>
		<link>http://www.colecamplese.com/2009/03/why-run-a-service/comment-page-1/#comment-50096</link>
		<dc:creator>Kareen Hilden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found these great IT and BPO Outsourcing projects that could be very useful if you are looking for new customers</description>
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		<title>By: Voices Carry &#171; Cole Camplese: Learning and Innovation</title>
		<link>http://www.colecamplese.com/2009/03/why-run-a-service/comment-page-1/#comment-48679</link>
		<dc:creator>Voices Carry &#171; Cole Camplese: Learning and Innovation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in a World where change happens at a pace that is nearly out of control. I thought my post, Why Run a Service would be a signal that I&#8217;ve come to a conclusion that there are real reasons to try and keep [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick Murray-John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Murray-John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

I very much agree--any way we can encourage those better practices is good.  I think that&#039;s why the game idea appealed.

On trickiness with the existing tools is the different varieties of links.   So, let&#039;s say that there is a set of Cole&#039;s starting points about globalization, all posts tagged &#039;globalization&#039;.

Then a student finds a new resource they want to add.   They can link to it, and tag their post &#039;globalization&#039;, but they can&#039;t tag that resource itself.  That&#039;s where delicious would come in. Something is needed to be able to bring in the resources wherever they are found.

It&#039;d also be nice to be able to signal the relationship between a reflection and the thing that it is a reflection on .  That would call for distinguishing  between the link to the new resource, and any other links that also appear in the reflection.

And I&#039;m always worried about disambiguating tags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>I very much agree&#8211;any way we can encourage those better practices is good.  I think that&#8217;s why the game idea appealed.</p>
<p>On trickiness with the existing tools is the different varieties of links.   So, let&#8217;s say that there is a set of Cole&#8217;s starting points about globalization, all posts tagged &#8216;globalization&#8217;.</p>
<p>Then a student finds a new resource they want to add.   They can link to it, and tag their post &#8216;globalization&#8217;, but they can&#8217;t tag that resource itself.  That&#8217;s where delicious would come in. Something is needed to be able to bring in the resources wherever they are found.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d also be nice to be able to signal the relationship between a reflection and the thing that it is a reflection on .  That would call for distinguishing  between the link to the new resource, and any other links that also appear in the reflection.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m always worried about disambiguating tags.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to this link relationship builder: why not let the existing blog software do this? A blogger makes a post with links to various other posts and tags it. The tag cloud is made richer and pointers to more content are added. 

I think it needs to be simple and flexible. I don&#039;t want to specialize it too much. Stick with the basics: blogs, posts, tags, comments. You can do a lot with these. I think the community is what needs development. We need to jump start communities that are reading, writing, linking, participating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to this link relationship builder: why not let the existing blog software do this? A blogger makes a post with links to various other posts and tags it. The tag cloud is made richer and pointers to more content are added. </p>
<p>I think it needs to be simple and flexible. I don&#8217;t want to specialize it too much. Stick with the basics: blogs, posts, tags, comments. You can do a lot with these. I think the community is what needs development. We need to jump start communities that are reading, writing, linking, participating.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Murray-John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Murray-John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...this is starting to sound a lot like Twine.  Have you checked that service out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;this is starting to sound a lot like Twine.  Have you checked that service out?</p>
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		<title>By: Cole Camplese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cole Camplese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-48639&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@ Patrick Murray-John&lt;/a&gt; What if we started to think about this not as a game, but as new way to direct students towards research as one would bang through posts/sites? My main goal may not be to push from point a to point b on the web, but to connect concepts and let them easily track that progress.  So if they are trying to learn something about globalization, we might start them with a set of related sites (in a Times People style bar) and let them add new resources into that &quot;space&quot; as they learn more.

Do you see where I am heading?  I am think of this as a directed starting point, but letting the students add new knowledge into that pool as they collect their own evidence.  It could be further enhanced if they leave comments on the sites they are tagging along the way -- or perhaps better yet, using some sort of a trackback to indicate that they both linked and posted a meta reflection of that site.

Does that make any sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-48639" rel="nofollow">@ Patrick Murray-John</a> What if we started to think about this not as a game, but as new way to direct students towards research as one would bang through posts/sites? My main goal may not be to push from point a to point b on the web, but to connect concepts and let them easily track that progress.  So if they are trying to learn something about globalization, we might start them with a set of related sites (in a Times People style bar) and let them add new resources into that &#8220;space&#8221; as they learn more.</p>
<p>Do you see where I am heading?  I am think of this as a directed starting point, but letting the students add new knowledge into that pool as they collect their own evidence.  It could be further enhanced if they leave comments on the sites they are tagging along the way &#8212; or perhaps better yet, using some sort of a trackback to indicate that they both linked and posted a meta reflection of that site.</p>
<p>Does that make any sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Murray-John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Murray-John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I s&#039;pose we could implement our own -- that might make it easier to resolve some issues I see developing (more below).  On the other hand, it might be rebuilding something unnecessarily.

On the issues...first one I see is directed vs. undirected relationships. This twists up what I said above about the sequence. So, if I&#039;ve tagged two pages with &quot;linkgame:ipod2jfk1&quot; to signal the first step in connecting the concepts, so far I don&#039;t have info about which is 1st. And additional &quot;a&quot; and &quot;b&quot; at the end could do that job.  Or, the delicious feed reports the timestamp, so if players bookmark the start first and the end second, we could derive the direction from that. Different paths could partly be differentiated by player (id&#039;d by delicious username,also in the delicious data) But problems if there are two paths from the same person. Maybe a second tag to differentiate paths in that case? Or, build our own thing that asks for the direction, distinguishes paths, etc.  

For the common tag applications/games/activities, just the usual use of delicious tags would probably suffice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I s&#8217;pose we could implement our own &#8212; that might make it easier to resolve some issues I see developing (more below).  On the other hand, it might be rebuilding something unnecessarily.</p>
<p>On the issues&#8230;first one I see is directed vs. undirected relationships. This twists up what I said above about the sequence. So, if I&#8217;ve tagged two pages with &#8220;linkgame:ipod2jfk1&#8243; to signal the first step in connecting the concepts, so far I don&#8217;t have info about which is 1st. And additional &#8220;a&#8221; and &#8220;b&#8221; at the end could do that job.  Or, the delicious feed reports the timestamp, so if players bookmark the start first and the end second, we could derive the direction from that. Different paths could partly be differentiated by player (id&#8217;d by delicious username,also in the delicious data) But problems if there are two paths from the same person. Maybe a second tag to differentiate paths in that case? Or, build our own thing that asks for the direction, distinguishes paths, etc.  </p>
<p>For the common tag applications/games/activities, just the usual use of delicious tags would probably suffice.</p>
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		<title>By: Cole Camplese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cole Camplese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-48636&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@ Patrick Murray-John&lt;/a&gt; I think we may have found a cross institutional project! I have also been talking to a colleague in our Emerging Technologies team and he is keen on something like this. Let me draw him in and see what happens. I&#039;ll also bring in Brad Kozlek who is in the center of our Blogs project.

Really smart idea of using the delicious tags ... just a quick question, could we implement (not sure why) our own open source social bookmarking app specifically for this purpose or is delicious/google bookmarks the way to go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-48636" rel="nofollow">@ Patrick Murray-John</a> I think we may have found a cross institutional project! I have also been talking to a colleague in our Emerging Technologies team and he is keen on something like this. Let me draw him in and see what happens. I&#8217;ll also bring in Brad Kozlek who is in the center of our Blogs project.</p>
<p>Really smart idea of using the delicious tags &#8230; just a quick question, could we implement (not sure why) our own open source social bookmarking app specifically for this purpose or is delicious/google bookmarks the way to go?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bixler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Bixler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is heading somewhere! I&#039;d love to automate a living, dynamic concept map built by this - one that expands as long as the &quot;game&quot; continues. So we&#039;d need something that labeled the connections between concepts/sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is heading somewhere! I&#8217;d love to automate a living, dynamic concept map built by this &#8211; one that expands as long as the &#8220;game&#8221; continues. So we&#8217;d need something that labeled the connections between concepts/sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Murray-John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Murray-John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh!  I like it! Doubly so, because it might be really easy to implement with delicious and machine tags.  Instead of &quot;for:&quot;, use e.g. &quot;linkgame:tag&quot; where &#039;tag&#039; is whatever you want.  Participants register their delicious feed with the app for the game.  Then, players apply the tag to relate whatever concepts, and the app processes the relationships between the URLs from the delicious data.

For a sequence, maybe using tags like 

&quot;linkgame:ipod2jfk1&quot;, &quot;linkgame:ipod2jfk2&quot;, etc.

If all those longish tags can be made easier with a sidebar app, all the better!

Whaddya think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh!  I like it! Doubly so, because it might be really easy to implement with delicious and machine tags.  Instead of &#8220;for:&#8221;, use e.g. &#8220;linkgame:tag&#8221; where &#8216;tag&#8217; is whatever you want.  Participants register their delicious feed with the app for the game.  Then, players apply the tag to relate whatever concepts, and the app processes the relationships between the URLs from the delicious data.</p>
<p>For a sequence, maybe using tags like </p>
<p>&#8220;linkgame:ipod2jfk1&#8243;, &#8220;linkgame:ipod2jfk2&#8243;, etc.</p>
<p>If all those longish tags can be made easier with a sidebar app, all the better!</p>
<p>Whaddya think?</p>
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